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Matt Mullenweg Keynote "State of the Word"
@ Wordcamp San Francisco, May 1st 2010

bbPress discussion from the Q&A session:

(question asked by Toni Carreiro)

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Toni: Hi I'm Toni and um, someone asked the buddyPress question, I thought I'd ask the bbPress question.

Matt: ooooooh... (crowd laughs) bbPress essentially... I have a confession to make... um...

So I dive, I dove back into bbPress... and we were doing the weekly development meetings...

version 1.1 is basically ready, it's been coded, has some great contributions from the wordpress developers,

um... I kinda got a little burnt out on it, um, there was something, we were going back and forth in the forums.

Basically the future of bbPress is gonna be, it's just more closely tied to WordPress.

'Cause what's killed bbPress before is we were trying to duplicate everything in WordPress

and basically have a copy of it in bbPress. So as WordPress is having 100 commits a week, whatever,

all of that was having to be ported back over to bbPress.

And we thought about making a backPress project so they use the same back end

but that didn't really work so... at some point it was like, well we are doing all these duplicate effort

why can't we make bbPress a really amazing plugin... because we could just throw away all this code...

we don't need a user system, we don't need a url system, we don't need a rewrite system, we don't need a database class,

we don't need any of this stuff, we just inherit that all from WordPress. Which is, the best way to do it.

Right now if you want a forum on WordPress you are probably better off using one of the plugins out there, that is not bbPress.

Um, this was controversal to say the least. And I was in there and all the forums and everything like that,

and just one night it was pretty bad, I was like ah oh my goodness, I just couldn't take this anymore, I just closed the window.

And that was about a month and a half ago, and I haven't really looked at it since. So... (crowd laughs)

I need just a little bit more time to recover from that flame war, and then I'll dive back in and start working on bbPress again.

It's kind of close to my heart because bbPress was, ah, I guess written about a year after or a year and a half after WordPress,

and it was written from scratch... where WordPress had been a fork, so it actually did a lot of awesome things I thought,

that ah, that if I could start over again I would have done.

So it's near and dear to my heart but ah, the, the community can be a little bit rougher than normal WordPress.

In WordPress we have a little bit more in terms in community morays on interaction and everything like that.

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Hmmm.. maybe the reason he left the project inbetween was because of us being too harsh on him. Check - http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress/page/5#post-64425

- Gautam ( http://www.gaut.am )

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at least _ck_, it's great to see your site back here

I guess you had some "private" talk about bbpress to Matt afterwards?

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@finalwebsites, I've never had direct communication with Matt.

He's responded to posts I've made on other websites but that's about it.

I really disagree with him over what he's had done to bbPress over the past two years as I think he had the right idea in the first place to fix some core concept problems WP had, via it's younger sibling, bbPress.

But even as I disagree, it's impossible to be upset with him for long because he's such a nice guy in general. He was one of first and few people to donate towards a new monitor for me when mine broke a couple years ago. I hope people do NOT take this as an opportunity to be disrespectful to Matt.

We are definitely going to go in different ways however - as he merges bbPress into WordPress, I'll be focusing instead on just making 0.9 faster and better as a forum that works with WordPress instead of inside it.

The sheer bulk of WordPress and it's unthemed admin menu that's open to all users would simply be a massive step backwards for bbPress IMHO. If you have 20 WordPress plugins, do you really need all of them to load for bbPress? What about bbPress's plugins, are you going to have 20 WordPress plugins and THEN 20 more bbPress plugins load? If WordPress has 100 options set in the db and bbPress another 100, are you going to load all 200 for every page render and to heck with performance?

He should at least try to finish BackPress and convert WordPress to use it, but I can only guess that maybe his primary coders rebelled at the idea so the whole concept fell apart.

When Sam decided to leave, I knew bbPress was going to have trouble.

WordPress is Matt's flagship so I can't blame him for wanting to just keep making it more and more feature-rich so everyone is drawn to it to find the exact solution they want, but bbPress as a WP plugin is going to be too slow, too bulky and too security vulnerable for me.

Forums and blogs are two different kinds of creatures, especially on higher volume websites. Blogs can be cached so they can tolerate being bloated but forums do not cache well because of the constant activity - they must have high performance instead to compensate.

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Hi good to see you're back!

We are definitely going to go in different ways however - as he merges bbPress into WordPress, I'll be focusing instead on just making 0.9 faster and better as a forum that works with WordPress instead of inside it.

Does this mean you will be focussed on 0.9? I am kinda happy cause 1.0 felt too big and slow for me (using backpress which is kinda useless atm, though the original idea for it was good). Though I wont focus on WP intergration, since the plugin version will do that. I would take out all the WP stuff according the intergration and focus on it as a forum. Let Matt do the plugin version.

Looking forward for some 0.9 improvements. Perhaps I'll convert my bbBlog plugin back to 0.9 as well. Hope you will pick up the old plugins too, like the ignore plugin, never got it to work

Nice to see you back again

Kind regards

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Oh my primary focus will definitely be on 0.9
BackPress is all but dead as Matt does a 180 degree change in direction.

It's usually not too difficult to make basic plugins compatible with 1.0 (and 1.1) so when I have time and when writing from scratch I'll try to include 1.x compatibility.

It's the rewrite engine that will break many plugins with bbPress as a plugin, even if they leave other hooks. Somehow I don't think backwards compatibility is going to be a concern anymore for bbPress's future, just like it's not a priority with WordPress.

"Ignore" was one of the first few plugins I wrote, it's definitely overdue for a rewrite with a better approach.

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"Ignore" was one of the first few plugins I wrote, it's definitely overdue for a rewrite with a better approach.

It would be great if this one got fixed. I really liked the idea.

Oh my primary focus will definitely be on 0.9
BackPress is all but dead as Matt does a 180 degree change in direction.

I totally agree!

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I would LOVE to know how you added the mp3 player to the original post.

I am trying to give my users the ability to link to an mp3 and have it displayed/played back right inside the post, like you did here.

If it is only a function the admin can do, that's fine to, I would just love to know how to add a music player to a topic/post.

Thanks in advance!

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I manually posted that using the "admin can post anything" plugin.

But you could modify the bbVideo plugin to also handle mp3.

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Oh ok, thanks for the info, I will check in to that then

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